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Post by davniyson on Aug 4, 2013 10:48:40 GMT -5
Hello, I'm starting a virtual VFR pilot. I want to join you. But I have a problem: I can not install real weather in prepar3d, and i can't use getweather. Prepar3d does not see it . What can you advise?
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Post by kronzky on Aug 4, 2013 14:47:04 GMT -5
I don't have P3D (and I don't know if anybody else here does), so I can't really give much advice in regards to it; but if there are any weather engines that do support it, and allow the use of historical weather, then you'd have to load the conditions from August 2nd, 16:20 UTM (or something around that time). You can try FSXWX, but I'm not sure if that runs with P3D either. I also noticed that you registered with a plane ID of 10B1, but that ID doesn't actually exist. Which plane were you planning to use?
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Post by davniyson on Aug 5, 2013 0:16:08 GMT -5
Ok, I'll try to download the weather for that day from Active sky or other weather engine. I chose aircraft Maule, but next flight i try 12A1
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Post by kronzky on Aug 5, 2013 12:35:25 GMT -5
As far as I understand P3D, you should also be able to use a saved flight from FSX. So, what you could try is: 1. Download this file (saved at start airport with static weather). 2. Extract the contents into your "My Documents\Prepar3D Files" folder. 3. Determine your plane's "title": Open its aircraft.cfg file, and look for the "title=..." line. 4. Open the saved flight's .FLT file, and change the entry from "Sim=Piper Cub" to your plane's title.
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Post by davniyson on Aug 5, 2013 12:36:18 GMT -5
Too bad, probably will not fly with you. The client does not see the realism is On. And says that the error. Because of this, I realized the flight is not accepted?
Aircraft: [P1] Piper Pacer PA-20-180 Bush 7 ATC Type/Model: Piper / Pacer Aircraft-Reference: Vne=160KIAS, Vcruise=125KTAS, Mmo=M0,000, Empty weight=1200,0 lbs Autopilot/Autothrottle: 1 / 0: #DISABLED# Max./Avg. Groundspeed: 164,7 kts / 105,6 kts Max. IAS: 158,2 kts Average IAS: 109,4 kts Average Head/Tailwind: +1,3 kts Max. altitude: 3086 ft Avg. altitude AGL: 1493,4 ft Roll count: 0 Time spent inverted: 00:00:00 Flight aborted: no Time in overspeed: 0,0 secs. Error count: 1 Valid: not valid!!
Info: Looks like FS2002 Info: Configuration-File: C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D\FS2002.CFG Info: REALISM/CrashDetection: '0' (NOT GOOD) Info: REALISM/StressDamage: '' (NOT GOOD) Info: REALISM/UnlimitedFuel: '' (NOT GOOD) Info: Weather/LoadWeather: '0' (NOT GOOD) Info: REALISM/CrashTolerance: '0'
Summary: Direct distance: 44,0 nm Flight time: 00:24:55 Baton time: 00:25:31 Average GS: 105,6 kts Valid: not valid! (errors: 1)
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Post by davniyson on Aug 5, 2013 12:40:01 GMT -5
Thank you, kronzsky, I'll try)
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Post by kronzky on Aug 5, 2013 13:20:38 GMT -5
Don't worry too much about Duenna's weather status. That one is pretty particular, and even if it's flagged invalid, we can always see what kind of weather you had by looking at the wind log. As far as the other settings are concerned, it should be possible to run Duenna with P3D, as this flight seems to have been done with it, and several realism settings there are listed as 'OK'. I do have a demo of P3D sitting around, that I never got to install, but I can give it a try, and see what tweaks might be necessary. This might take a few days, though, so if you already want to fly in the meantime, just go ahead. We should be able to tell from the log whether you crashed or not, or whether you didn't use any fuel.
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Post by davniyson on Aug 5, 2013 13:28:36 GMT -5
ok, thanks for the help) How to check whether counted last flight?
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Post by dangerousdave26 on Aug 5, 2013 17:34:48 GMT -5
Note I do not have P3D so the instructions I will give may or may not work.
Duenna does not support P3D because it was not around when the latest version of Duenna was compiled.
We might be able to fool Duenna into thinking the program you are running is FSX or FS9.
Try this launch the Simulator to your home airport.
Start Duenna and enter the settings menu.
In the Settings menu there is an option to define the path to a non standard FS9.cfg file.
try placing the path to your P3D config file in that option.
C:\Users\{someUser}\AppData\Roaming\LockheedMartin\P3D\P3D.cfg
Please note that is just to give you an idea of what it should look like.
Try a test flight a short one and see what you get. To make things easy for Kronzky choose a testing event.
I have another thing to try that I will withhold until you test this method. The other method will open a few cans of worms.
What ever information you get from duenna post it again so we can see it.
As for the Weather FSX does not write the weather data to the FSX.cfg file like FS9 and FS2002 did. It writes the weather data to the last save flight file. The name of that file is. Previous Flight.FLT
If you open that file with a text editor look for
[Weather] WeatherType=3
If your weather type is a 3 (doubtful since you have P3D) you are OK.
If not change it to a 3.
If the section is missing add it.
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Post by kronzky on Aug 5, 2013 23:08:43 GMT -5
I actually got my demo of P3D to run today (and I must say, I was pretty impressed — I should've tried it earlier!), and I did attempt to fool it with a modified path (it would be %appdata%\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D\Prepar3D.CFG), but it didn't help. Duenna is still looking in the FSX profile folder for both, FSX.CFG and Previous Flight.FLT (I monitored the process, and it was stubborn), and probably reads the settings from there. While it is possible to just put a dummy file in there to satisfy Duenna, we might as well go without it, as that content would be meaningless.
So, as it looks like right now, we don't really have a way of verifying your settings, davniyson. You can, of course, still participate, but if somebody would be to contest your result, we'd have to take it out of competition.
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Post by davniyson on Aug 5, 2013 23:37:51 GMT -5
Well, thank you all for trying to help me. With your permission, I would like to fly as long as no contest. Maybe in the future Duenna will support prepar3d. And now I can see at least some results in the table? Just for myself?
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Post by kronzky on Aug 6, 2013 9:01:25 GMT -5
And now I can see at least some results in the table? Just for myself? I'm not sure I understand which table you're referring to. The full results table is here, and a the brief version of it is visible on the race page, but since you didn't submit any races yet, your row is still empty. So — did you fly already? And do you have Duenna logs for it? If you accidentally flew them private (and you're participating out of competition), you can either fly them again, or attach your log image (the bottom one with the path and results), as well as the log file to a results thread (sort of like mine). If you didn't actually race yet, make sure you read through the Duenna instructions, and then go for it! Sorry that it's all so complicated, but once you've climbed that first learning curve, it'll all fun and games afterwards!
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Post by teson1 on Aug 6, 2013 10:21:12 GMT -5
Well, thank you all for trying to help me. With your permission, I would like to fly as long as no contest. Maybe in the future Duenna will support prepar3d. And now I can see at least some results in the table? Just for myself? Hello davniyson, welcome ! Great to have you join us. Normally your flight should appear on the Duenna flights page immediately after you have started a flight: fs-duenna.com/flights/ListFlights.php?detail=last&value=If you already have flown a flight and if it does not apper on that page, verify the Duenna settings are correct as kronzky has advised: •Activate " Enable online flight tracking" •Ensure that "Server URL" is set to: fs-duenna.com/flights•Use your desired "Username" (if you have never used Duenna, click the " Login" button, and create a new profile) •Set your "Team" to: FSE BPRL (or any other team you might already belong to) •Set the "Event name" to: BPRL 2013 Race• Do not check "Keep flight-tracking private (not on list)" •Check " Create real-time position feed" If no Internet connection is available, or Internet connection breaks down during the flight (or online logging does not work for any other reason) you can always post the Duenna .jpg and .txt files in a post to the forum and have your flight count. These two files contain the main validation information Duenna collects. You find the Duenna .jpg and .txt files on your computer in the RTW-Duenna\OUTPUT\ folder in the Duenna root directory you have installed Duenna into. The location of these files is also directly included at the bottom of the Duenna .txt file, that should pop up when you end the flight: Best regards.
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Post by kronzky on Aug 6, 2013 15:32:09 GMT -5
Hey davniyson, I am seeing your flight logs on Duenna now (and plenty of them), so I'm wondering if you're just practicing, or just very unlucky during your runs... During testing you don't need to run Duenna. You can do as many tests and crashes as you like, but then, once you feel you're ready for the real thing, start up Duenna, and log an official run. You have two tries per leg, and if you do file more than one, it's always the second one that will be used for scoring.
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Post by teson1 on Aug 6, 2013 16:41:02 GMT -5
These are strange crashes... Looking at the KML file and the TSV files on the Duenna flights pages you are flying normally, far from the ground, and then bam! you crash. Are these overspeed crashes ? But looking at the TSV file the crashes seem to occur at very few knots above 160 kts. Does P3D generate a crash as soon as that speed is exceeded??
I guess you're flying the Piper PA-20 Pacer by Lionheart. It seems to be easy to overspeed that plane - the level flight speed at full throttle has been measured at 158 kts, just at the never-exceed speed of 160 kts. It seems this plane has to be cruised throttled back to stay sufficiently away from the barberpole (which disfavors it within the current scoring system, as the system assumes the plane is flown at full throttle, so this PA-20 is not a very competitive plane).
But still, the speeds at which the plane crashes seem insignificantly above 160 kts...
Not sure if that's the reason for the crashes. Intriguing...
I'd appreciate if you would let us know the reasons for the crashes just so we understand whether there are some systematic issues pilots have to tackle with. Thanks.
Btw. if you want to train with the Duenna logging the flight, but without the flights counting for the BPRL you can do the following:
•Set the "Event name" in the Duenna settings to something else than "BPRL 2013 Race", e.g. "Test".
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