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Post by jimmy on Mar 23, 2013 14:45:40 GMT -5
The majority of respondents to the "fairness" poll would like to implement the Aircraft Handicapping system. In order to score the races, we will need the "Maximum Cruise Speed" (Vno) of all possible aircraft models and their variants. Please help populate this data. At a very minimum, test the 1 aircraft you plan to use in the April race course (hint: there is 1 off-airport beach landing and altitudes of 8000') How: First, view this spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmGGITW0iKSNdGNPVEtpQzg5cmRiaHc0RzNtU0RjUXc#gid=0Anything that is missing a "Max Speed" entry needs populated. this will result in an Aircraft ID number (AID#) being generated for that aircraft, which you will need to declare when registering for the April race course. Second, copy the below questions and reply to this thread. Paste in the questions and then fill in the answers.
Make/Model?
Variant?
Sim (FSX or FS9)?
Free or Pay?
Maximum Cruise Speed?
Download URL?
How to test for Maximum Cruise Speed:1. Place your aircraft on the ground, anywhere, on a runway. 2. Ensure that your simulator is configured as follows: a. Check "Enable Automixture" b. Check "Unlimited fuel" c. Weather = "Clear Weather" 3. Ensure that your aircraft is set to 0 fuel and 0 payload 4. Set your autopilot to HDG and ALT hold, with ALT=2000 (suggest HDG=rwy hdg for ease of test) 5. Take off, engage autopilot, remain at full throttle, open GPS 6. When you have been at level flight for several minutes and your speed has steadied, record the Ground Speed (GS) from your GPS display.
Understanding the Aircraft ID# The AID# is a 3 or 4 digit alphanumeric "number".
-- The first digit(s) is the Model# and identifies the make/model. For example, Model ID# 1 is the Aviat Husky. M#11 is the Piper J-3 cub.
-- The second digit is the Download ID, and is a letter identifying individual downloads (A,B,C) etc. For example, the Cessna 185 (MID#3) has three (or more?) identified downloads: a freeware FS9 version from AVSIM and two payware versions (1 ea FSX and FS9) from Carenado.
-- The third digit is the Variant ID#, and refers to that specific download's variants (floats, skis, etc.)
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Post by jimmy on Mar 23, 2013 14:49:05 GMT -5
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Post by jimmy on Mar 23, 2013 14:51:40 GMT -5
If anyone has a google account and would like to help me update this spreadsheet with the provided answers, please email me at james.e.rowland /at/ gmail, and I will add you as an editor.
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prb
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Post by prb on Mar 25, 2013 14:18:37 GMT -5
Piper PA-20-180 Pacer Tundra FSX Payware 160 ** www.lionheartcreations.com/** 160 is the VNE reference speed in the airctaft.cfg. Under the test conditions specified, this aircraft will is capable of exceeding this speed, whereupon it blows up into tiny bits (and bytes). I got to 165 before it went "poof", but that's because it takes 30 seconds of overspeed before you vanish. |
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Post by prb on Mar 25, 2013 14:24:49 GMT -5
If anyone has a google account and would like to help me update this spreadsheet with the provided answers, please email me at james.e.rowland /at/ gmail, and I will add you as an editor. Email sent. - Paul |
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teson1
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Post by teson1 on Mar 25, 2013 19:25:37 GMT -5
Make/Model? American Champion Scout Variant? Tundra Author? RealAir Sim (FSX or FS9)? FS9 Free or Pay? Pay Maximum Cruise Speed? 120 KTAS Download URL? www.realairsimulations.com/flash.php?page=scout06_introOther Models: Scout Standard tires 129 KTAS Scout Amphibian: 115 KTAS Decathlon: 135 KTAS Citabria: 113 KTAS |
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Post by teson1 on Mar 27, 2013 20:16:47 GMT -5
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Post by jimmy on Mar 28, 2013 1:17:52 GMT -5
Make/Model? Maule M-7-260 What a nice plane and VC ! Pity I didn't have a look at it a long time ago ... I flew this plane almost exclusively for years! VERY nice plane for the FS9 bush pilot. |
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prb
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Post by prb on Mar 30, 2013 8:45:32 GMT -5
Piper PA-20-180 Pacer Tundra FSX Payware 158 www.lionheartcreations.com/This is my second test of the Piper Pacer. Not sure what I was doing on the first test. Maybe going slightly downhill, but in any case, I was not able to quite get to VNE this time, at 2000 feet. Made a few tests at other altitudes, 5000 (150 KTAS) and 9000 (145 KTAS) to see what the difference might me. As expected for a plane without superchargers, it went slower. The other nice thing about this plane is that it reacts correctly to cross-controlling while descending - drops like a brick without gaining any speed. Read more: bprl.freeforums.net/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=25#ixzz2P1wWEOKP |
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Post by bushflyer on Mar 30, 2013 23:27:13 GMT -5
Piper PA-20-180 Pacer Tundra FSX Payware 158 www.lionheartcreations.com/This is my second test of the Piper Pacer. Not sure what I was doing on the first test. Maybe going slightly downhill, but in any case, I was not able to quite get to VNE this time, at 2000 feet. Made a few tests at other altitudes, 5000 (150 KTAS) and 9000 (145 KTAS) to see what the difference might me. As expected for a plane without superchargers, it went slower. The other nice thing about this plane is that it reacts correctly to cross-controlling while descending - drops like a brick without gaining any speed. Read more: bprl.freeforums.net/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=25#ixzz2P1wWEOKPI did like the Carenado C 185, FS9 or FSX. I can't see how it can be used in good faith now, being there are 2 versions of it, one stock, and one altered with a new cfg: www.carenado.com/CarSite/Portal/index.php?accion=updateBeing no one else submitted the c185 for testing speeds, I'm not gonna use it now, and will go with the Lionheart Piper PA20. A month ago, I hated anything Piper. Now I like 'em, at least LHC's versions. The default FSX FS9 Piper is junk imo. I tried to declare this: 'FSX Piper Pacer PA-20-180' tonight for the Cascade Volcanoes. It now says it's an 'invalid aircraft' in that registration. Any idea why? |
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Post by jimmy on Mar 31, 2013 1:07:21 GMT -5
The "invalid aircraft" just means that the AID# you entered must not match exactly something from the list. It's a very human process, still. I'll look at it when I get home in a bit.
As for the 185s with different configs, as long as each one is tested and given their own AID#, the handicapping system will take care of the difference.
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Post by jockha on Apr 17, 2013 15:00:12 GMT -5
Make/Model? American Champion Scout Variant? Tundra Author? RealAir Sim (FSX or FS9)? FSXFree or Pay? Pay Maximum Cruise Speed? 116 KTAS Download URL? www.realairsimulations.com/flash.php?page=scout07_introOther Models: Scout Standard tires 117 KTAS Scout Amphibian: 114 KTAS These figures are lower than the FS9 ? I did follow the recipee accurate. Jock Andersen |
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Post by kronzky on Apr 18, 2013 0:52:49 GMT -5
Make/Model? American Champion Scout Maximum Cruise Speed? 116 KTAS [...] These figures are lower than the FS9 ? I did follow the recipee accurate. The difference may be caused by the location you tested at (i.e. its altitude). If I test the same plane at KEDW (Edwards Airforce Base, @2400ft) I also only get 117kts, whereas if I do it at PHNL (Honolulu, @0ft) I get up to 121kts. |
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Post by jockha on Apr 18, 2013 10:01:56 GMT -5
I did test at 2000' altitude from KBVS.
It could also be the temperature in Honolulu that affects.
So maybe the procedure for testing should be updated.
1. around same airport.
2. Altitude setting to STD (1013hP/??.?? inch).
3. time of year (same temperature).
Jock Andersen
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teson1
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Post by teson1 on Apr 18, 2013 11:54:14 GMT -5
I did test at 2000' altitude from KBVS. It could also be the temperature in Honolulu that affects. So maybe the procedure for testing should be updated. 1. around same airport. 2. Altitude setting to STD (1013hP/??.?? inch). 3. time of year (same temperature). Jock Andersen Hi Jock, Exact details on how to test aircraft are here: sites.google.com/site/fsebprl/aircraft-nominationLink is pretty hidden though, so no wonder if you haven't seen it. (Jimmy, it may be a good idea to add link to this page to the league charter and racing rules page or the menu, as well as to the aircraft list (add why not add a link to this list to the menu as well.) How to test for Maximum Cruise Speed: 1. Place your aircraft on the ground, anywhere, on a runway. 2. Ensure that your simulator is configured as follows: a. Check "Enable Automixture" b. Check "Unlimited fuel" c. Weather = "Clear Weather" 3. Ensure that your aircraft is set to 0 fuel and 0 payload 4. Set your autopilot to HDG and ALT hold, with ALT=2000 (suggest HDG=rwy hdg for ease of test) 5. Take off, engage autopilot, remain at full throttle, open GPS 6. When you have been at level flight for several minutes and your speed has stabilized, record the Ground Speed (GS) from your GPS display. Key points: 1. Check "Enable Automixture" 2. Weather = "Clear Weather" (which seth the atmostpheric conditions to Standard atmosphere model (ISA) and no wind) 3. Test altitude =2000 ft (ideally maintained by AP) 4. Weight and Fuel = 0 If you have respected these points and the plane still flies at 116 kts at full throttle/max RPM then 116 kts is probably right for the FSX model. To doubblecheck we could try the following: Send me the plane's FSX aircraft.cfg and .air file by email. -> teson1 at gmail dot com I would place these into an existing FSX plane and test in FSX (even though my FSX is a slideshow). (Not sure if that will work - I've never tried) Gunter |
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